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צפייה בגרסה מלאה : נבי מוסא למצוקי דרגות. איך הכי קל?



MR BIG
12-11-17, 09:44
רכב אחד , בודד.

מנבי מוסא למצוקי דרגות דרך השטח. מה הציר הכי מהיר וקל ? וכמה זמן בערך ייקח ללא הפסקות?

ד ו ר ו ן
12-11-17, 10:36
איזה רכב?

MR BIG
12-11-17, 11:44
RAM
סטנדרטי לחלוטין.

ishc
12-11-17, 14:48
כביש הגישה של נבי מוסא, פניה מערבה בשביל כחול לתצפית על מנזר המרסבא, חזרה לציר והמשך דרומה עד לסיום הכביש, משם מזאחה על שביל ירוק שהופך לכחול ודרומה על השביל האדום לאוך המצוק עד למצוקי דרגות.

מצ"ב קובץ TWL דומה מאוד לתיאור (אנחנו נסענו הפוך וסיימנו באיזור התעשיה מישור אדומים מה שמחייב לחצות את הקידרון כמה וכמה פעמים וזה תענוג מאוד קטן).

dice2
12-11-17, 15:06
אם אני זוכר נכון במסלול הזה יש שפ"צ לא נעים

ishc
12-11-17, 15:12
עשינו אותו לפני חודש וחצי בלילה והכל היה סבבה. אני חושב שאתה מתכוון למעבר אוג והוא לא במסלול הנ"ל

ד ו ר ו ן
12-11-17, 15:50
כביש הגישה של נבי מוסא, פניה מערבה בשביל כחול לתצפית על מנזר המרסבא, חזרה לציר והמשך דרומה עד לסיום הכביש, משם מזאחה על שביל ירוק שהופך לכחול ודרומה על השביל האדום לאוך המצוק עד למצוקי דרגות.

מצ"ב קובץ TWL דומה מאוד לתיאור (אנחנו נסענו הפוך וסיימנו באיזור התעשיה מישור אדומים מה שמחייב לחצות את הקידרון כמה וכמה פעמים וזה תענוג מאוד קטן).
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היינו בחלק הצפוני בשישי ולא הייתה בעיה, המעבר של הקדרון יכול להיות צפוף לRAM, ועוד יותר מזה מגעיל, זה ביוב שזורם חזק וגבוה.

החלק הדרומי המתואר היינו בפסח וגם היה בסדר.

נמרוד
12-11-17, 16:06
יש בגדול מסלול אחד שחוצה את מדבר יהודה, שאפשר בחלקים ממנו לבחור מתוך שניים או יותר נתיבים מקבילים. אתה לא יכול להמנע מכמה מעברים הכרחיים. בינהם חציית נחל ערוגות, שזה מעלה לא קל, גם לצפון ולגם לדרום. יש לך עוד לפני זה בדרך כל מיני מדרגות ומעלות שמחייבים מחשבה ונהיגה איטית לכל הפחות (חציית נחל תקוע, "סיבוב המוות" הידוע ועוד). את מעלה עוזי (מעבר נחל חבר) אתה יכול לעקוף מערבית.

אתה תעבור הכל עם RAM, אבל זה מסלול איטי וטכני. זה לא משהו שעושים על הדרך.

יובל48
12-11-17, 16:24
יש בגדול מסלול אחד שחוצה את מדבר יהודה, שאפשר בחלקים ממנו לבחור מתוך שניים או יותר נתיבים מקבילים. אתה לא יכול להמנע מכמה מעברים הכרחיים. בינהם חציית נחל ערוגות, שזה מעלה לא קל, גם לצפון ולגם לדרום. יש לך עוד לפני זה בדרך כל מיני מדרגות ומעלות שמחייבים מחשבה ונהיגה איטית לכל הפחות (חציית נחל תקוע, "סיבוב המוות" הידוע ועוד). את מעלה עוזי (מעבר נחל חבר) אתה יכול לעקוף מערבית.

אתה תעבור הכל עם RAM, אבל זה מסלול איטי וטכני. זה לא משהו שעושים על הדרך.

רק מנבי מוסא למצוקי דרגות,לא כל החבילה....
מכביש בקעת הורקניה מזרחה בשחור לראש צוקים תצפית והפסקת קפה ומשם באדום דרומה למצוקי דרגות.
המסלול בשטחי אש .

מיכה100
12-11-17, 16:32
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המעבר של הקדרון יכול להיות צפוף לRAM, ועוד יותר מזה מגעיל, זה ביוב שזורם חזק וגבוה.


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נמרוד
12-11-17, 16:38
מצטער, פספסתי לגמרי, התגובה שלי לא רלוונטית :(

ד ו ר ו ן
12-11-17, 17:49
לא לגמרי,
סיבוב המוות בסמש השחור לכיוון דרום רלוונטי מהכיוון הנדון, ובהחלט מומלץ לוותר עם רכב רחב וארוך.

MR BIG
12-11-17, 19:46
OK
הרעיון הוא לטייל לפני הגעה לחניון לילה במצוקי דרגות .

מה אתם אומרים על האופציה הבאה :

צומת גוש עציון, תקוע, מעלה עמוס , ירידה בכבביש מזרחה עד סופו והגעה למצוקי דרגות על הירוק מדרום.

בעיות כאלה ואחרות?

shmulikbg
12-11-17, 22:15
https://israelhiking.osm.org.il/#!/?s=1U0cOzMauv

oferc
12-11-17, 22:40
הכי קל(עבירות) או הכי מהיר או הכי קצר ?

לדעתי הדרך הקלאסית היא דרומה על כביש נבי מוסא , עד למסלול השחור , משם ירידה לתצפית "ראס פשחה" , אחרי זה כל הדרך על השביל האדום עד מצוקי דרגות.

מדובר במסלול של 35 קילומטר בשטח , מסלול די קל עם 2 נקודות של עבירות בינונית מינוס על השביל האדום.


בהצלחה

pelegw
14-11-17, 12:32
במרץ עשינו את המסלול של כביש נבי מוסא, מתחברים למסלול השחור לכיוון סיבוב המוות (אחרי חציית הקדרון ממשיכים על האדום כק"מ ויורדים שמאלה לשחור), ובאמצע יורדים שמאלה לירוק שהופך לכחול בנחל גורפן. אחרי נחל גורפן מתחברים לאדום וממשיכים דרומה עד מצוקי דרגות. 3 רכבים עברנו את זה בפחות מ-3 שעות, לא זכור לי שהיו נקודות מאתגרות.