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צפייה בגרסה מלאה : מתאם חשמל לסוגי גרר שונים



zivo
24-09-17, 20:32
אני לא באמת יודע למה יש לפחות שני סוגי חיבור חשמל לנגררים (לאותו סוג וו גרירה).
בכל מקרה, מי שיש לו שקע מסוג אחד על הרכב (ישן), ורוצה לגרור נגרר עם חיבור חשמל אחר (חדש), כדאי שידע שישנם מתאמים במחיר 11 ש"ח -
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boaz avrahami
24-09-17, 20:46
תודה כבר הכול מוסב ל 13 פין אבל רק שתדע שיש עוד סוג- שטוח, אמריקאי


Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ 98 V8 5.2 Limited
Honda TRX300EX

יונתןמצפה
24-09-17, 20:49
יש גם מתאם הפוך. מוצר חובה לכל מי שיש לו וו גרירה ועשוי למצוא את עצמו גורר נגרר לא מתוכנן

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מיכה100
25-09-17, 13:36
מתעלק. להלן חידה לוגית חשמלית:
נתונים דיסקברי, נגרר ומתקן אופניים (עם אורות).
בנגרר כשהוא מחובר לדיסקברי לא עובד האור השמאלי, אבל כאשר הנגרר מחובר לרכב אחר כל האורות עובדים.
במתקן האופנים כשמחובר לדיסקברי כל האורות עובדים.
החשמל בדיסקברי ובנגרר נבדקו בסדנאות נגררים (כל אחד בפני עצמו בסדנה שונה) ונמצאו תקינים.
ברור שהפעולה הנדרשת היא לחבר את הנגרר לדיסקברי ולתת לאיזה חשמלאי שישבור את הראש, אולי איזה פין יושב חצי מילימטר לא טוב, אבל עד עכשיו לא הסתייע.
רעיונות יתקבלו בברכה, כמו גם הכוונה לסדנת נגררים עם גישה שירותית באזור רחובות גדרה.

boaz avrahami
25-09-17, 13:54
בחלק מהשקעים / התקעים יש גשר בין אור ימין לשמאל.
בדיסקברי שלך חיברו רק את פיו 4 או 7.
תגשר בדיסקברי בין הפינים של ימין ושמאל ובא לציון גואל כי בעגלה שלך חיברו כנראה לפי השרטוט - כל צד לפין

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Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ 98 V8
Honda TRX300EX

boaz avrahami
25-09-17, 14:47
הכוונה 1 ו 4
7 לא קשור


Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ 98 V8
Honda TRX300EX

zivo
25-09-17, 19:09
מה זה לא עובד האור השמאלי?
אור ברקס שמאלי?
אור בלינקר (איתות) שמאל?
אור "חניה" \ קבוע שמאל?
אף אחד מאורות שמאל?

לגבי מה שבועז כתב, אם אני מבין נכון את האנגלית, 1 ו 4 הם בכלל האיתות של שמאל וימין, קצר ביניהם, יגרום לשני האיתותים לעבוד ביחד (hazard).
לפי ההבנה שלי את האנגלית ואת שניכם, אם לקצר משהו, זה 5 ו 7 (ולא 1, 4).

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boaz avrahami
25-09-17, 19:16
מעיון חוזר אני נוטה להסכים לגבי 5+7 אבל מנורת ביקורת ושניה בדיקה יאששו את העניין


Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ 98 V8
Honda TRX300EX

מיכה100
26-09-17, 10:48
מה זה לא עובד האור השמאלי?
אור ברקס שמאלי?
אור בלינקר (איתות) שמאל?
אור "חניה" \ קבוע שמאל?
אף אחד מאורות שמאל?

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boaz avrahami
26-09-17, 12:29
מיכה,

אין קסמים. זה חשמל הכי פשוט שיש בלי אלקטרוניקה.
היתה לי בעיה כשלך וגתוס שברו עליה את הראש מעל שעה ולא פתרו אותה.

אני אחסוך לך סיפור ארוך בזה שאפנה אותך לפתוח את תקע מתקן האופניים ותראה שיש שם גשר בין הפינים הרלוונטיים.
תעשה אותו הסבר בעגלה וסגרת את הסיפור.

ofir1977
26-09-17, 18:48
לי הייתה אותה בעיה,

רכשתי נגרר חדש והרכב ישן, האורות בנגרר עבדו רק בצד אחד.
אצל הבעלים הקודמים של הנגרר האורות היו תקינים.

פתחתי את השקע בצד של הרכב והתחלתי לבדוק כל גיד על איזה אור הוא אחראי.
(כל פעם ניתקתי גיד אחד חיברתי התקע ובדקתי מה השתנה).
אחר כך חיפשתי מה צריך לחבר כדי שהאורות בנגרר יעבדו בצד השני.
לאחר מכן קיצרתי בין 2 המגעים הללו (בעזרת גיד נחושת 1.5 ממ"ר רגיל) והבעיה נפתרה.

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